++ White Power in Black Community? ++

[Franklin Hummel]

I'm aware of the newsgroups I am cross-posting to, but I think it is the best way for me
to find an answer.

I live in a large city, in an area that is predominately black. My immediate
neighborhood is very integrated, with a strong mix of black, white, hispantic, old and
young, straight and gay people.

I live in a condo, in a group of 4 building with 20 condos total. A year or two ago some
new people moved into the building. I knew of this but never really saw one of them
until last night when he was getting out of his truck to go into the building two doors
from mine.

I knew the truck well because it is one of those *huge* gas-guzzling ones, all black,
jacked-up body, a "man's man" truck.

I just want to see if this guy was actually one of the guys who moved into our condo
buildings. I didn't actually say anything to him (I was walking my dog and coming home),
but just what to see what he looked like (late 20s, thin, white, really short hair) and
that he went into the building that I thought he lived in (he did).

So I thought I had seen an NRA sticker on his back window, but when I looked at it more
closely last night, it turned out to be the U.S. Marine Corps logo.

Then I saw another sticker I had not seen before. (This morning, when I took my dog for
his walk again, I could see why I missed it. It somewhat fades into semi-visibility in
the sunlight.)

So last night I saw it was a hand in a clenched fist -- in white. I immediately thought
it was a "white power" symbol and through my searching on the internet, I can't think of
what else it could be.

(Is there something ELSE this could be??? The fingers seem to form the letters "IHI",
which
is a Japanese company that makes turbo-chargers, but I cannot find anything online with
regards
to that company having a clenched fist logo.)

So my question: *why* would white power advocates move into a neighborhood that is
extremely mixed that is part of a much larger black community.

I mean, the condos are really nice ones and it is physically a very nice and beautiful
area with many trees, many green open space, not that far from a subway station, and not
that far for the center of the city. That's part of the reason we moved here; I knew is
was a very nice area to live in.

But given that, again *why* would white power supporters want to live in a neighborhood
so diverse, with black folks maybe in the majority of those living here? Could the condo
have been just a good deal for them and so they didn't care about the actual
neighborhood? Could it be something like, well, wanting to spy of "the enemies"? Would
practicality overcome philosophy? Or what?

I'm just at a lost to try to figure out why white nationalists would move into a very
mixed racially (and in other way) neighborhood. It seems -- odd.

So please, comments, suggestions, ideas, anyone?

Thanks.

[Joe America]

Post by Franklin Hummel
I'm aware of the newsgroups I am cross-posting to, but I think it is the best way for me
to find an answer.
I live in a large city, in an area that is predominately black. My immediate
neighborhood is very integrated, with a strong mix of black, white, hispantic, old and
young, straight and gay people.
I live in a condo, in a group of 4 building with 20 condos total. A year or two ago some
new people moved into the building. I knew of this but never really saw one of them
until last night when he was getting out of his truck to go into the building two doors
from mine.
I knew the truck well because it is one of those *huge* gas-guzzling ones, all black,
jacked-up body, a "man's man" truck.
I just want to see if this guy was actually one of the guys who moved into our condo
buildings. I didn't actually say anything to him (I was walking my dog and coming home),
but just what to see what he looked like (late 20s, thin, white, really short hair) and
that he went into the building that I thought he lived in (he did).
So I thought I had seen an NRA sticker on his back window, but when I looked at it more
closely last night, it turned out to be the U.S. Marine Corps logo.
Then I saw another sticker I had not seen before. (This morning, when I took my dog for
his walk again, I could see why I missed it. It somewhat fades into semi-visibility in
the sunlight.)
So last night I saw it was a hand in a clenched fist -- in white. I immediately thought
it was a "white power" symbol and through my searching on the internet, I can't think of
what else it could be.
(Is there something ELSE this could be??? The fingers seem to form the letters "IHI",
which
is a Japanese company that makes turbo-chargers, but I cannot find anything online with
regards
to that company having a clenched fist logo.)
So my question: *why* would white power advocates move into a neighborhood that is
extremely mixed that is part of a much larger black community.
I mean, the condos are really nice ones and it is physically a very nice and beautiful
area with many trees, many green open space, not that far from a subway station, and not
that far for the center of the city. That's part of the reason we moved here; I knew is
was a very nice area to live in.
But given that, again *why* would white power supporters want to live in a neighborhood
so diverse, with black folks maybe in the majority of those living here?
Could the condo
have been just a good deal for them and so they didn't care about the actual
neighborhood? Could it be something like, well, wanting to spy of "the enemies"? Would
practicality overcome philosophy? Or what?
I'm just at a lost to try to figure out why white nationalists would move into a very
mixed racially (and in other way) neighborhood. It seems -- odd.
So please, comments, suggestions, ideas, anyone?
Thanks.

Your "nice" neighborhood is in reality a slum. Why would anyone want to
live there? Troll.

CS

[Franklin Hummel]

Post by Joe America
Your "nice" neighborhood is in reality a slum. Why would anyone want to
live there? Troll.

A two-bedroom condo in this "slum" sells for $250,000 -- a quarter of a million dollars.

I posted my question because I am seeking an answer. I had hoped those reading my
message would see it for exactly that. If wanting to learn and understand better
something I do not know much about is being a "troll", I think, Joe, you have a poor
understanding of that word's usage. I came to learn, not to judge.

Now is there someone else who would give me an honest answer to my honest question?

[Franklin Hummel]

Hi,
You're going to have to look at
it closer.
As a marine, it's unlikely that
he'd use both - a marine sticker,
and a political sticker.

I find that idea odd. I would think that a Marine, well an ex-Marine, would be
likely to put a political sticker on his car, given the fact he is or was a Marine. (I
believe this guy is ex-Marine)

My guess - would be that it's
some martial arts club.
Many of them use some sort of
fist, as their logo.

Now *that* makes sense and it is exactly the type of answer I was looking for!

The white fist was more stylized that what seems to be the traditional "White Power"
fist and the fingers of it looked like they formed the letters "IHI"; there was a small
bar between the 2nd and 3rd fingers. But the only thing I could find on the web that
might have been related that had "IHI" was a Japanese company that made turbo-charges.

It does seem likely that it might have been something like a martial arts club given
it seems he is an ex-Marine.

Or - you could ask the guy.
Marines are definitely
dangerous; but I've worked with
them, and when they're your friend -
they're dangerous on your side.

That's why I didn't ask. I didn't want to go up and say, "Hey, is that a White Power
sticker on your truck?!" If it wasn't, he might have been really upset I had thought
that. If it was, I would have been an awkward conversation from the point out, since I
am not a White Nationalist.

What I did do a few days ago was leave a note on his truck's windshield one morning,
saying if it was *not* "White Power" sticker, it looked like one and that was *not* a
great thing to have on his truck in a very racially, religiously, and mixed sexual
preferences neighborhood. That night when I walked my dog I saw his truck and the decal
had been removed!

Ken .

Thanks, Ken! It makes a lot more sense the guy is an ex-Marine into martial arts,
than a White Nationalist in this neighborhood. For a nationalist, our nice, friendly,
integrated-in-many-ways neighborhood might be a reality he might have trouble dealing
with. That's what I couldn't understand about this.